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| Intangir |
| Posted: Feb 23 2005, 11:32 PM |
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How do i install support for Theora encoding on VirtualDub?
i got the DirectShow plugins from www.theora.org cause those are the only codec/filter type files i see available
i installed them but it wont show up as a usable format in VirtualDub
and i didnt see anything useful at http://www.xiph.org
i see Theora mentioned on this board but i dont see any info on how to get it to support it
is it possible to encode to Theora format using VirtualDub?
and if so how?
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 08:51 AM |
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the only way to encode with theora in VIrtualDub is using a recent ffdshow build. (use google)
note that you are outputting theora to AVI this way, not Ogg.
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| chuchu |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 11:22 AM |
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@stephanV:
The latest version of ffdshow now can output video frames to OGG(theora only) or OGM container(old version also can),
by set the ffdshow vfw output > store frames to external files,
then select OGG. :P
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 11:24 AM |
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aahh, nice 
but in my version I only see OGM (from 16 feb), which is pointless.
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| chuchu |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 11:34 AM |
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| QUOTE (stephanV @ Feb 24 2005, 11:24 AM) | aahh, nice
but in my version I only see OGM (from 16 feb), which is pointless. |
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 11:37 AM |
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ah in newest build i see Ogg
OGM is pointless because it is just a hacked version of Ogg enabling something similar as the VFW-mode from Matroska. Therefor, you might as well ouput to AVI. Basically, you don't need OGM for anything.
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| chuchu |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 11:46 AM |
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but i think Theora-in-AVI only play fine if you have ffdshow installed,
Other Directshow filter(illiminable or Radlight Ogg DS filter, but haven't test that much) seems can't decode it,
also the powerful MPlayer will tell you the Theora contain "broken haeder"... <_< |
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 11:56 AM |
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you can only make Theora in AVI with ffdshow, so thats ok.
but does illiminable work with Theora in OGM (not Ogg)? or Radlight?
personally, i wouldnt take mplayer as a measure for anything 
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| i4004 |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 02:25 PM |
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| QUOTE (stephanV @ Feb 24 2005, 01:37 PM) | | Basically, you don't need OGM for anything. |
i also think one doesn't need theora in a same way, as probably even tmpgenc's mpeg1 can beat it.
if one wants good 'toon codecs', then realvideo and even wmv9 are a better idea.
| QUOTE | | Other Directshow filter(illiminable or Radlight Ogg DS filter, but haven't test that much) seems can't decode it, |
if radlight has dshow splitter only, offcourse it can't play theora (or anything else that unsupprted and yet found in the file) as you need proper dshow video decoder(on top of the splitter) to do that.
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| Intangir |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 03:21 PM |
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i dont really know a whole lot about codecs..
lemme make sure i get this..
.ogg is the normal container for theora,and the only container mplayer and most regular vfw and directshow progs can handle
.ogm is old and .avi is common but most players cant understand theora being in that container?
also i looked up ffdshow , i found the source forge site and it has an alfra from oct last year, is this new enough? or am i supposed to get an even newer one
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 03:41 PM |
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no offense, but if you dont know a lot about codecs maybe its better to stay away from Theora. You should use it for testing stuff only now.
yes, you can have theora in AVI via ffdshow. OGM is a another container, based on Ogg (which is the "official" container for Theora (i feel like bond now  ))
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| Intangir |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 03:41 PM |
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apparently its not new enough, where are yall getting this newest build?
i have found feb 16 build on another site but yall said already that it doesnt do ogg
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 03:42 PM |
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unfortuantely we can not link to ffdshow as the legal status of it is questionable at the very least.
if you dont need ogg, the 16 feb build is fine.
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| i4004 |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 03:57 PM |
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| QUOTE | | (which is the "official" container for Theora (i feel like bond now )) |
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| Intangir |
| Posted: Feb 24 2005, 04:12 PM |
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im checking out theora cause its free and its open sourced, and its good, and crossplatform (i mean the source for it compiles on any platform too)
i need to have some kind of format we can use for movies in a game engine (with our own movies) on any platform
i figure theora is a good way to go.. ?
if you know of any other formats that are free, and have source that compiles on all platforms, and its not ancient and bad compression ;( let me know
i found ffdshow and it has theora support
i think im encoding to .ogg now
thanks for hte help, but yea if you have any advice on what other codecs would work for what im trying to do please let me know
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