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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 22 2002, 01:14 PM |
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Hi de_xt, welcome to our board !
In fact there are a lot of rumours about the MPEG4 licensing sheme floating through the internet.
Believe, as i am a real lover of XviD nothing would make me more happy than if it became a 'legal' codec one day ... but honestly speaking, i doubt it !
MPEG-LA licensing for MPEG4 seems to have a passus allowing the use of MPEG4 codecs for free, without any licensing fees, if there are no revenues behind it ( this is the case for every opensource project normally ) and if its only for private use.
But honestly speaking, i doubt this will stay as it is now. If everybody will start to use opensource implementations of MPEG4 it will be impossible for the licensees of MPEG-LA, means companies like Apple, DivX Networks, whoever, to charge money for the use of their codecs .... and dont forget they need this money to be able to pay the MPEG-LA licensing costs !!
In the end i am convinced we either havent understood the license correctly or this passus will soon be removed from the license, because licensees will put pressure on MPEG-LA about it.
We will see .... i promise, as soon as XviD is free to use for everybody and it is made sure Avery's forum is clean when there is discussion about the use of XviD i will remove it from the 'disallowed' codecs and move it to 'allowed' codecs ...  !!
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| bobsobol |
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I can see both sides of the arguement. Offshoot projects from the VirtualDub source may come into descussion, many of which (NanDub fe) come into the realm of optimising for a particulat "educational" codec. Provideing the uses of these Educational Codex are Educational and fall within the legal practices set out in their terms and conditions, and provided those terms and conditions are accepted by third parties as legal, I don't see a problem in descussing it. There is nothing less "educational" than the death of free speech.
However from the point of view of moderating this forum, non-descussion is a far more straight forward rule to preach and enforce than a kind of "well you can talk about it but only when what you are descussing is this and you don't go into that or the other" where repeat offenders can continually plead ignorence as to the specifics of the boundery they have overstepped.
I for my part will attempt to abide by whatever ruling is finally decided upon, and will attempt to be diplomatic with any referances I make.
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| minion |
| Posted: Dec 14 2002, 07:05 AM |
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Well there is an easy way around talking about so called Illegal Codecs..Just Call them By Different names that everyone would know what you are talking about,without actually Nameing the Codec and Not Breaking any rules, Sort of Like a Nickname or a Slang term..like we can call it the Xpeg4 Codec..There is No codec By that name But But we can use it as a Psudonum for the Ilegal X Codec, or we can call it that , the X Codec, or the Evil X Codec....Just a Thought |
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| fccHandler |
| Posted: Dec 14 2002, 07:35 AM |
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 My two cents:
It's OK to mention (for instance) the forbidden DivX 3.11a, especially if you're trying to help someone transcode to another (legal) format.
What we should not tolerate is discussion that perpetuates the use of illegal codecs, like "What are the best settings for DivX 3.11a?" or "Where can I get the fabulous DivX 3.11a?" or "Dude, you're an idiot for not using DivX 3.11a."
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Dec 14 2002, 08:51 AM |
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I absolutely agree here fcchandler, and i can say i am pleased that actually there is no big discussion about codec settings at all, even not about those of legal codecs. I am still convinced that discussing codec settings can not be the primary goal of a Vdub support board, but of course nobody will mind here if people do, at least if its not the illegal codecs that are discussed.
For codec settings we should point people to all the well known boards out there dealing with this by definition, say
everwicked.com ( ew is not charging us for the hosting !! )
doom9.org
divx-digest.com
divx.com
hydrogenaudio.org
corecodec.com
powerdivx.com
forum.doom9.de
and a few others i forgot now ( feel freed to add them here ... )
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| esby |
| Posted: Feb 10 2003, 01:09 AM |
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just a dumb question (maybe not),
but what makes the div4 codec more legal than the xvid codec.
I understand that div5 is legal cause divx network pay the licence fee,
and try to ask the users to pay it too...
but afik, there is no such system for div4 ^^
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Feb 11 2003, 09:55 AM |
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FourCC codes
'div3' = DivX3 low motion : illegal
'div4' = DivX3 fast motion : illegal
'divx' = DivX4 : legal, license was paid by DivX N ; MPEG4 ISO compatible with 'simple profile' since DivX 4.12
'dx50' = DivX5 : legal ; MPEG4 ISO, compatible ( well, more or less  ) with MPEG 4 'simple advanced profile' ( b-frames, GMC, Q-PEL )
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| esby |
| Posted: Feb 12 2003, 08:42 AM |
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Sorry for my goof on fourCC,
but i was just wondering if divx network paid a licence for divx 4.0,
since afik they only asked payment (or what you like to call it for divx 5.X)...
And by the way and link to have info on these licence?
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: Feb 12 2003, 10:13 AM |
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| QUOTE (fccHandler @ Dec 14 2002, 01:35 AM) | | or "Dude, you're an idiot for not using DivX 3.11a." |
Or why is everybody encoding with DivX high motion? Don't they know the quality sucks? DivX low motion is much better.
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| muf |
| Posted: Feb 12 2003, 07:49 PM |
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Software patents don't apply in Europe. So please don't make yourself look stupid and edit your post ChristianHJW . Not being allowed to discuss XviD etc is just plain sick.
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Feb 13 2003, 03:36 PM |
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This board is dedicated to Avery, and i still have hopes he will make it his 'Official' support board one day, with a http://forum.virtualdub.org URL , but still hosted on the server where we are now ( i discussed the terms of doing that with everwicked already shortly ).
As Avery is living in the US, and all the software patents for MPEG4 are very well valid there, i will stick to my decision. Also, as i was pointing out in numerous other threads, this is not primarily the place to discuss codec settings, everwicked.com and doom9.org are much better places to do so. And if anybody can point me to a thread here where we were slamming the door to a XviD user that had problems with using Vdub, he shall do so ...
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| muf |
| Posted: Feb 13 2003, 04:57 PM |
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I didn't say anything about discussing codec settings. I'm just talking about the codec itself, and the way you bring it it seems like that's disallowed too. And even in the US you can talk about things freely. It's not like "Ohh you talked about cocaine! You're gonna end up in jail!".
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| KornX |
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And of course not to forget a new legal codec
Windows Media V9 VCM
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| _nasturtium |
| Posted: May 21 2003, 10:24 AM |
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What about legitimate, legal versions of the MS MPEG-4 V3? Like the ones you got with some beta versions of NetShow Tools. Is there a blanket ban on discussion of MPEG-4 V3? (Not that I can see much difference in quality between V2 and V3) |
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: May 22 2003, 04:11 PM |
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| QUOTE (_nasturtium @ May 21 2003, 12:24 PM) | | What about legitimate, legal versions of the MS MPEG-4 V3? Like the ones you got with some beta versions of NetShow Tools. Is there a blanket ban on discussion of MPEG-4 V3? (Not that I can see much difference in quality between V2 and V3) |
I wouldnt think so. If there are such versions, what i was not aware of to be honest, you may happily discuss them, preferably with a short remark about how you can do it legally.
After all, this forum should concentrate on the using of Virtualdub and related problems, and not so much about codec settings, but i certainly wont stop discussion on this as long as it doesnt conflict with Avery's interests of not dicussing illegal stuff here ....
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