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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 08:19 AM |
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As i was stating in the 'Announcements' forums this support board was created to help Avery Lee to continue his work on future VirtualDub versions by directing users to here instead of having them sending emails to Avery.
Of course, this will have a real impact only when Avery decides to either put a link to here on his homepage ( www.virtualdub.org ) or even to move the whole board to his server/host. Especially for last case it is important to make sure that no 'illegal' codecs are allowed to be discussed here. (for historic purposes im leaving this in  )
Furthermore, this board was ment to be a Guideline of how to use Virtualdub in General, and not so very much to dicuss the best settings for a specific video codec. But of course we are well aware of the fact that this baord will only be accepted by the users if it can offer such service, so we decided to add this forums.
Allowed codecs for dicussion here are :
Video:
MS-MPEG4 V1/2
DivX 4/5 ( DivX Networks )
Tarkin, Theora or anything else from xiph.org
Codecs from On2Tech (e.g. VP3, VP6.2)
HuffYuff (Ben Goudiak-Gold, lossless YUV codec)
Indeo video, Cinepack (but who still uses these anyway)
WMV9
RealVideo (although not related to VirtualDub/AVI)
Nero MPEG4 ASP / Nero MPEG4 AVC (included in Nero Recode, although not related to VirtualDub/AVI)
Audio:
Vorbis, Speex or anything else from xiph.org
Fraunhofer MP3
Windows Media Audio (WMA)
AAC from Real, Apple, Nero, 3ivx (or any other legal company I forgot to mention here)
Open-source codecs (you can discuss these, but rather not link to builds of them... Google can be a great help):
Video:
XviD
x264/sex264
ffmpeg (or any derivatives like ffdshow)
Audio:
LAME MP3
MPC
FAAC
Disallowed codecs are :
Video:
DivX3 (hacked MS-MPEG4V3 codec)
Angelpotion (see above)
SMR (see above)
MS-MPEG4V3 (Microsoft ; this codec can not be used for AVI)
Audio:
Radium MP3 (hack from Fraunhofer)
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Any codec that is not mentioned here is not necessarily illegal of course. Most users should be able to decide from the legal status of the respective codec they wish to discuss how it should be dealt with on these forums.
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| robUx4 |
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Well, Avery had no problem talking to me for the LAME ACM... And he even changed VDub when there was a bug with the LAME ACM...
So even "illegal" codec (usually open source) can improve VDub and help to discover problems... |
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 08:52 AM |
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| QUOTE (robUx4 @ Jul 8 2002, 10:27 AM) | | So even "illegal" codec (usually open source) can improve VDub and help to discover problems... |
You are of course absolutely correct here robux4, many important improvements regarding Virtualdub have been explored when using so-called 'illegal' codecs and of course Avery will respect this input in his continous efforts to further improve his great program.
But as we want this forum to turn into the 'Official Virtualdub Support Forum' one day we also have to be careful that nothing is discussed here that could lead to legal infringements for Avery in any respect.
And, having said that, there is also a huge number of support boards out there ( see links thread ) that are specialised on codec settings for these, so there is absolutely no need to discuss them here also IMHO.
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| avih |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 09:33 AM |
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chris, i think that's an unreasonable request, not to discuss xvid, div3, lame, etc...
the fact that you can burgler with a hammer doesn't make the hammer illegal... ppl test new codecs, and the legal responsibility is upon those ppl imo... but preventing them to discuss it on the vdub forum is a death wish for the board imo.
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 10:01 AM |
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| QUOTE (avih @ Jul 8 2002, 11:33 AM) | chris, i think that's an unreasonable request, not to discuss xvid, div3, lame, etc...
... but preventing them to discuss it on the vdub forum is a death wish for the board imo.
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avih,
thanks for your input here .. but i dont agree  !
The purpose of this board is simply to help people that have problems to use Virtualdub .. not to discuss about best codec settings, etc. . If we will start to do such discussions here, we will also risk to get no support ( like links, etc. ) from the other, well established boards in this respect, as they might fear 'competition' ... and this is certainly not what we want !
And then, again, Avery was always very careful AFAIK to not get any kind of legal conflicts, at least since Microsoft forced him to remove ASF support from Virtualdub .... so its our main intention to give him a very comfortable feeling with this board here, allowing him to link officially to here.
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| avih |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 10:15 AM |
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i see your point, still, unsatisfied users = ... i don't have to tell u...
have u actually discussed this issue with avery?
since this site will support HIS app, his input is obviously valuable here.. official or unofficial oppinion from him will help with this decision.. or have u already done that?
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you MUST replace the 'wink' icon 
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 11:06 AM |
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| QUOTE | have u actually discussed this issue with avery?
since this site will support HIS app, his input is obviously valuable here.. official or unofficial oppinion from him will help with this decision.. or have u already done that? |
No, for the time being i hate to admit Avery has no clue about the existence of this board. I sent him 2 emails at the beginning of this year, asking him if we should create such a board to help him, but unfortunately he did not reply ( drowning in emails i suppose ).
But as the idea was already fixed in my brains and ew offered help to do it, i decided to simply create the board and give it a try, waiting for reactions from potential users, answer a few questions and then to point Avery to it, so he will get a good impression what this board is and what it could be for him.
| QUOTE | | ps : you MUST replace the 'wink' icon |
fully agree here .. dont like it also  !
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| robUx4 |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 11:45 AM |
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(strange quoting mode)
| QUOTE | | No, for the time being i hate to admit Avery has no clue about the existence of this board. I sent him 2 emails at the beginning of this year, asking him if we should create such a board to help him, but unfortunately he did not reply ( drowning in emails i suppose ). |
I was going to ask the same question as avih... IMHO before you claim that the board has to talk only about legal programs because Avery would be in trouble, should make sure Avery is OK with this board/behaviour !
Otherwise I seem to be more lucky than you in having replies from him (got one this week-end  )
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| robUx4 |
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Oh, and what about the existing forum sections about VDub on ew or doom9 ?
I guess if Avery needed something like this, he would go there and check the users' discussions. |
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 12:22 PM |
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| QUOTE (robUx4 @ Jul 8 2002, 01:47 PM) | Oh, and what about the existing forum sections about VDub on ew or doom9 ?
I guess if Avery needed something like this, he would go there and check the users' discussions. |
well, he never showed up there, did he ? Maybe because he doesnt like discussion boards at all, dont know ... but he also may have other reasons ?
I for my part will make sure that whenever he will decide to show here there will be nothing discussed here that could cause him any problems .. my promise !
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 12:31 PM |
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| QUOTE (robUx4 @ Jul 8 2002, 01:45 PM) | | Otherwise I seem to be more lucky than you in having replies from him (got one this week-end |
Really ?? You got a reply from Avery ?
Would you be able to share its content with us ?
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| robUx4 |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 02:03 PM |
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| QUOTE | | I for my part will make sure that whenever he will decide to show here there will be nothing discussed here that could cause him any problems .. my promise ! |
My lord, your forum is served... |
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| robUx4 |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 02:05 PM |
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| QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Jul 8 2002, 02:31 PM) | | QUOTE (robUx4 @ Jul 8 2002, 01:45 PM) | | Otherwise I seem to be more lucky than you in having replies from him (got one this week-end |
Really ?? You got a reply from Avery ?
Would you be able to share its content with us ? |
Bah, that's technical questions about embedding MP3 in AVI using VDub.
I was trying to find a solution to write clean AVI (unlike what Nandub produces) and have no desync problem.
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| avih |
| Posted: Jul 8 2002, 02:20 PM |
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i got a reply from him as well about his warp-sharp filter, that i implemented in the xvid postproc build. we exchanged several emails, and he always answered not more than a day later.
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| DeXT |
| Posted: Jul 21 2002, 01:37 PM |
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Hi ppl!
I personally don't think veting XviD from the start is a good idea, even now that MPEG-4 licensing is out and seems it will remain legal while they don't get revenue for it?
And I can't understand why just talking about a CODEC may be illegal...
Just my oppinion.
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