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| i4004 |
| Posted: Oct 30 2004, 10:30 PM |
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| QUOTE | | Whoīs going to stop them? They simply say itīs THEIR codec. |
once it's standardized, it's not their to toy with anymore.
nobody is going to stop them, as they won't try it and they can't try it.
finished standard is finished standard, and that's it.
same as mpeg1/2.
they gave the specs to smpte, and now they are unchangeable.
| QUOTE | | Or they say that THEIR codec can only be used in THEIR programs/container. |
nope.
vc1 will be used as a video codec and hd-dvd/blueray provide the data-format/containers/file-systems.
| QUOTE | | Never! There is only one standard I will acknowledge! The W3C! |
few posts above you said you use ie6, right?
| QUOTE | | I have it at work. Itīs annoying as hell. |
i can imagine that "work" machines are kinda "whore" machines; everybody uses them.
| QUOTE | | Great! Now if they could give me back all the time I lost waiting for a dead system to respond, Iīd be glad. |
don't wait; just go to power options in the bios!
| QUOTE | | Why didnīt they fix these problems with Win9X? They had time(and money) enough, didnīt they? |
well, they did (to some extent) with win98se.
sometimes i am surprised; yesterday i asked my nephew if his win98 system is crashing.
he said it doesn't.
i have 2 friends still running win98se too.
i had no problems with win98 untill i connected to the web. after that it would usually crash after hour or so.
perhaps it didn't like the particular web sites i was visiting..heh.
but i believe i know a way to keep even win98fe running; just don't install too many programs, and keep systray as clean as possible.
(the first day with a clean system, i was surfing for 4-5 hours (WOW!) without a crash on win98.)
anyhow, my old installation of win98 is still in perfect working order.
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| Cyberman |
| Posted: Oct 30 2004, 11:04 PM |
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| QUOTE | | once it's standardized, it's not their to toy with anymore. |
I wonīt bet on that, but letīs wait.
| QUOTE | | few posts above you said you use ie6, right? |
So? Even IE has to understand correct HTML.
| QUOTE | | i can imagine that "work" machines are kinda "whore" machines; everybody uses them. |
Not really. Only I work on that machine. Must be a rare combination of programs that causes these crashes. Not all computers have it, only some - mine is one of them.
| QUOTE | don't wait; just go to power options in the bios!
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Yeah, NOW I know that too. I didnīt then.
| QUOTE | | but i believe i know a way to keep even win98fe running; just don't install too many programs, and keep systray as clean as possible. |
It may be a surprise(especially to MS), but itīs the OSī job to cope with many programs being installed/deleted and even faulty.
We wouldnīt need an entire system otherwise - a simple loader with a huge runtime-library would suffice.
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| i4004 |
| Posted: Oct 31 2004, 10:56 AM |
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| QUOTE | | So? Even IE has to understand correct HTML. |
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| QUOTE | | The result? You canīt really make a site thatīs optimized for all browsers, even if you cling to the HTML Standard as defined by the W3C. |
is contradictory.
if "even IE" understands correct html, then where's the problem?
| QUOTE | | a simple loader with a huge runtime-library would suffice. |
well, what is win than explorer.exe loading other modules?
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| Cyberman |
| Posted: Oct 31 2004, 11:03 AM |
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| QUOTE | this
| QUOTE | | So? Even IE has to understand correct HTML. |
and this
| QUOTE | | The result? You canīt really make a site thatīs optimized for all browsers, even if you cling to the HTML Standard as defined by the W3C. |
is contradictory.
if "even IE" understands correct html, then where's the problem? |
"Understand" doesnīt mean "run well". It merely means it wonīt choke on it, and probably display it correct.
Thereīs no guarantee that itīll be DISPLAYED correctly, though.
| QUOTE | well, what is win than explorer.exe loading other modules?
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I hope itīs much more, because I donīt know where all the space is going to otherwise.
Besides, it does work at times - disabling faulty programs and such. But it should work always, with no exception.
[edit]BTW, you convinced me about that Computer Chronicles - Iīm downloading several episodes now, as today I have virtually no transfer limit.
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| Posted: Oct 31 2004, 02:29 PM |
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| QUOTE | | BTW, you convinced me about that Computer Chronicles |
i convinced myself too.
"256kbit" streams are good enough for me, and i'll be dloading some of that stuff, so perhaps we can swap some episodes when we dload a bunch of them.
it's a good programme. and as we know the present, and don't know what will happen in the future, might as well have some fun lookin' at the past.
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| Cyberman |
| Posted: Oct 31 2004, 08:05 PM |
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| QUOTE (i4004 @ Oct 31 2004, 03:29 PM) | | "256kbit" streams are good enough for me, and i'll be dloading some of that stuff, so perhaps we can swap some episodes when we dload a bunch of them. |
Sure. Iīm downloading the 256K files too, as theyīre moderately sized and should be good enough.
Details via PM, no need to spam the board ;-)
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| Posted: Nov 5 2004, 08:43 PM |
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| QUOTE (fccHandler @ Oct 24 2004, 06:07 AM) | | It can encapsulate all that AVIs can, and so much more. (In fact, I once argued in favor of ASF over Matroska.) |
Why  ?
What can ASF what matroska cant do ? And why should M$ be rewarded from the opensource world, when they are normally doing anything to destroy it ?
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| Posted: Nov 5 2004, 11:58 PM |
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| QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Nov 5 2004, 04:43 PM) | | Why ? |
You remember! It was a long time ago when Matroska was still in its infancy. Anyway, my point is simply that I don't think ASF/WMV is crap at all. I expect soon we'll have DVD players which support it, perhaps even HD WMV DVD players (if Microsoft doesn't screw up their negotiations with SMPTE).
Will we ever have Matroska DVD players? 
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| Posted: Nov 6 2004, 08:25 AM |
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| QUOTE (fccHandler @ Nov 6 2004, 12:58 AM) | | Will we ever have Matroska DVD players? |
Why not? Once itīs established enough to be recognized as a good container, I see no reason why DVD player manufacturers should not include it. The more the merrier, isnīt it?
Sooner or later people will realize that a DVD player that "plays DVDs" isnīt enough. Theyīll look for those that can play more.
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@i4004: I recently had the chance to use WMV9. I have to admit itīs quite good, I used it on cartoon, with rather low bitrate. Better than DivX in that respect.
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| Posted: Nov 6 2004, 05:18 PM |
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| QUOTE | | I expect soon we'll have DVD players which support it, perhaps even HD WMV DVD players (if Microsoft doesn't screw up their negotiations with SMPTE). |
http://www.iodata.com/usa/products/product...d=AVLP2%2FDVDLA
(this was recently posted by 'kurtnoise' in this forum)
ms doesn't really need smpte (or aod or blueray) in order to make wmv9 tech available.
it just needs support of chip manufacturers.
(but making vc1 mandatory for aod and blueray won't hurt either, that's for sure; to make issue clear, these things were already voted for, and vc1 got support. will blueray or aod kick vc1 out now? it would mean less video made (on win platform)/less media sold. would you do it? )
| QUOTE | | Will we ever have Matroska DVD players? |
this is interesting question;
so far, do we have a hardware support for ANY 'standalone' (ie like "not copiez of mpeg et al.") opensource project?
i think the opensource itself is a problem; if the code constantly changes (which is the foundation of os philiosophy-anyone can change the code), then one implementation may seem silly 5months or a year afterwards.
with mpeg this can't happen.
specs stay the same (for better or worse)
there probably is a problem of suport for os projects too; let's say i'm hardware engineer that's trying to make a chip that supports some os project; i need help right away, and what if main developer is at his daytime job?
| QUOTE | | The more the merrier, isnīt it? |
cy, this isn't what you said when i said the more codecs the better.
got you there.
| QUOTE | | Sooner or later people will realize that a DVD player that "plays DVDs" isnīt enough. Theyīll look for those that can play more. |
no they won't.
look at vhs.
look at...dvd. ( )
they need a dvd-player that plays dvds, and that's it.
recently i was explaining why i believe mpeg4sp will never be a standard:
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?...&m=672003727631
for same reasons mkv probably won't make it big time either; why would industry support mkv if they made their standards, AND they will make money selling their licenses.
so no, you won't see mkv as a container for vc1 or h264 on hd-dvds.
| QUOTE | | @i4004: I recently had the chance to use WMV9. I have to admit itīs quite good, I used it on cartoon, with rather low bitrate. Better than DivX in that respect. |
well, you know i never lie.
christian:
| QUOTE | | when they are normally doing anything to destroy it |
hmm?
and the example for this is?
but i can see that linux is using ms tech without asking anyone (ms-mpeg4,wmv codecs etc.), and without paying anything, so it means ms can take that away just like that.
but they are not doing it, right?
(if ms and mpeg-la were to make linux stop using their patented stuff, then what's left from video on linux? not much, i say...)
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