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| evropej |
| Posted: May 19 2011, 02:06 PM |
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Two of the deals expired already. Keep an eye out though, they come back after a while.
What is your budget? |
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: May 19 2011, 04:03 PM |
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Very limited. I use a card and end up paying back monthly on it in like $50 increments. Good thing I don't have a girlfriend or am not married, lol. |
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| evropej |
| Posted: May 19 2011, 04:53 PM |
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I would suggest then investing your money on a processor only.
Go for the 2500 core i7 with a cheap mobo, get an open box which is even cheaper.
Ram is cheap now days.
Also, get a cheap video card like a 9800GT or a 260GTX.
Dont go cheap on a power supply, the repercussions are horrible and as bad as system failures.
AMD just does not have the horse power to do video processing like the core i7. |
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: May 19 2011, 05:45 PM |
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Would you know of any motherboard and CPU package deals? I'm looking around but haven't found anything yet. I usually go to amazon or Newegg. |
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| evropej |
| Posted: May 20 2011, 05:19 AM |
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Microcenter has the best deals for processors. They recently had a core i3 with mobo for 100. Cant beat that. |
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| evropej |
| Posted: May 20 2011, 01:31 PM |
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Microcenter has a deal today, core i7 2500 with asus p8p67 mobo for $299.98 bones.
The have an amd machine for 300 as well.
Thats a great deal. |
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 22 2011, 06:20 AM |
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I wouldn't touch an ASUS motherboard. Gigabyte all the way.
I don't like any offerings in the new chipset motherboards. You have to pay twice as much to get half as much. If I was building a computer today, I'd get the 2nd generation X58 board with a 950 I7.
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $189.99 after $10 rebate
8 SATA 3.0, 2 SATA 6.0, 1 PATA, 1 FDD, 2 e-SATA, 2 Firewire on back and 1 onboard, 1 optical audio out and 1 coax audio out, 2 USB 3.0 on back, 4 USB 2.0 on back, 4 USB 2.0 onboard, 10/100/1000Mbps Lan, 6 channel audio, 4 PCI-e x16, 2 PCI-e x1, 1 PCI and Triple channel DDR3 2200/1333/1066/800.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128423
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 - $269.99 (will already get superfast encode speeds with this processor, overclock it and the encode speeds will be outrageous)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115211
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9T-12GBRL - $147.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231358
Thermaltake TR-700P TR2 BRONZE 700W ATX 12V V2.3 / EPS 12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $104.99 (I have a Corsair but I like the cable management of this PSU. My brother owns one)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817153129
EVGA 01G-P3-1366-TR GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - $114.99 after $30 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130591
COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811119216
CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler - $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835181015
This might be too much for you but SATA connectors are a premium for me. I have 6 HDDs and running out of space and I need the IDE for two Pioneer DVD burners. I have a Q6600 machine (overclocked to 3.2Ghz) right now so I am not too anxious to build right now. I would like to build a I5 2500K machine like evropej showed but I just can't find a motherboard to suit my needs with this CPU. I'm sure it would smoke with the unlocked chip overclocked to 4.2Ghz.
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...or I'd wait till the end of the year when the new boards and CPUs come out and see what they have to offer.
My brother built the 1st generation I5 760 around Christmas and it encodes very fast (a lot faster than mine) but you can't get the motherboard he bought anymore. You can still buy the CPU but the motherboard offerings are not very good. It was obsolete a month after he bought it when the Sandy Bridge came out.
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: May 23 2011, 02:33 PM |
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Nice Darrell.
I'll keep those links in reference. |
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| evropej |
| Posted: May 23 2011, 03:53 PM |
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Darrells,
Check out microcenter, much better prices then newegg.
Also checkout slickdeals, huge price cuts on ram especially.
A quick note, a buddy of mine built a core i7 2600 machine with the same specs as mine ( core i7 950).
Guess what, at the same clock speeds, the two machines performed the same lol.
The two tasks were deshking a video and compressing with xvid, a decent benchmark.
The only reason I suggest the core i7 2500 or 2600 is the cheaper motherboards and the higher overclocking capability. |
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 25 2011, 07:57 AM |
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Yeah, I'd love to build a new machine with the unlocked CPU's but I'm very disappointed with the motherboard choices.
With the motherboard choices out there, the X58 seems to have all the bells and whistles for the right price. You'd have to get the Z68X for twice the price to even come halfway close to the X58A.
I sometimes see stuff at my local Fry's at a much better deal than newegg and I don't have to wait for it to get here. I bought an E6500 in January to replace a 3.2Ghz Pentium D on an older Intel 965 MB (that's the biggest chip it would use) for $70. I wish we had a Microcenter here. |
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Jul 11 2011, 07:57 PM |
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OK. I guess one last question and I tried looking this up without much success. Would say a Geoforce 8 or 9 series card work with a D945GCCR intel motherboard? My best guess would be "probably not", speed issue. That board has one PCI-E slot.
Better yet maybe I should ask the question this way: what would be the minimum "CUDA" based card I could get away with using that type of motherboard?
I don't care about high end processing. Anything that would be at least better than what I have now. Hell I would be satisfied with a 25% increase in performance.
I have a 600 watt PS already so I think I would be able to handle one of these cards. |
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: Jul 11 2011, 10:28 PM |
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I don't see why it wouldn't work as long as you have the PCI-e slot. Obviously you won't be able to use SLI but since you're not a gamer then it's no big deal. The onboard graphics on the 945 chipset is pretty week. It doesn't support 1080p. I don't believe it even supports 1080i.
It's probably your best bet until you can build the computer that you want and then you'll already have the video card when you decide to build. The CUDA card will only help on encoders that support it. Virtualdub does not support CUDA. You will see decent increases in speed but not huge increases since you can only upgrade the CPU to an E4700 but you can overclock it to improve your encoding speeds. I've read people OCing to 3.45Ghz on air...oh wait, nevermind. You can't overclock an Intel board. So you would have to get a different board (Gigabyte are great overclockers) and if you're going to buy a new board then you might as well replace everything else.
If someone could figure out how to use the cudaH264Enc commandline encoder with Virtualdub's external encoder feature then we wouldn't have to worry about CPU power and could rely on the Nvidia GPU. I heard that x264 is supposed to be working on an encoder that uses both CPU and GPU. I don't know if this is true or not but would help a lot if true. I've used Mediacoder which uses CUDA and it encoded the same file at least five times faster that x264 and I'm running a Q6600 CPU OCed to 3.2Ghz.
EDIT: I googled your first question and it said that you can use any modern card on your board but that it wouldn't run at peak performance since the PCI-e slot on your board is 1.0 instead of the newer 2.0. The PSU is powerful enough to run a newer card. The video card will not increase your speed at all if the encoding software cannot take advantage of the CUDA encoder. As mentioned above, Mediacoder can use the CUDA encoder.
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Jul 12 2011, 02:59 AM |
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Thanks Darrell
I just noticed that Vegas 9 doesn't even support GPU neither, have to move up to version 10 for that and yet I'm reading about users having trouble with using GPU with the newer Vegas.
Is it possible that hyperthreading could be slowing things down for me? I had read that HT is a waste in certain applications and could actually bog certain things down more. The CPU I have is a P4 (Cedar Mill) 631 hyperthreading type.
I won't try to overclock on this system. Was one of my ideas until you said that it couldn't be done on an intel board.
Sad really. Hear I am still working on a clip from last Wednesday. Trying to get past all of the errors and trouble. When there is a technical error or a user error the video has to be redone over again. Very frustrating and a waste of time and doing unnecessary steps that shouldn't need to be done which extends the time many-folds and kills overall video quality.
Using the filters I need in Vdub, I'm at 1.3 FPS and this is at a size of 864 X 486 and without the use of a deshaker! I had to convert the mp4's to huffyuv in Vegas to put into Vdub to do filtering then do another save to huffyuv for Vegas from Vdub before the titling in Vegas because the filter changes in Vdub can mess the text up. That is an example of how bad my workflow really is and has been for a while now.
Matters get much worse when Vegas screws up transitions or if portions of the video goes red or black on me in the preview or if I overreach on the time or amount of mp4 clips, boom, the editors go down with errors.
I wish I was back with standard DV right at this point. I just might do that but I remember my DV cam had a problem optically and when I looked into it more after a poster mentioned something about a lens issue it looks like lens astigmatism, no idea why I would have that. If you do a search for "fountain video" on here you will see an example video of the effect. I noticed the effect last June/July. It came some time after receiving "C:" errors when loading a cassette tape.
For now I will stop doing Flip videos and somehow save up for the parts. This will take a long time and by that time whatever I get I hope it doesn't become obsolete too soon. That is my fear.
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| Posted: Jul 15 2011, 08:39 PM |
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It took me a long time before I started encoding x264. I had no desire to use my 3.2Ghz P4 to encode a video for 24-48 hours. Now that I have my Q6600 OCed to 3.2Ghz, it's not a big deal encoding x264. My brother's I5-760 set to Turbo blows my Q6600 away but my Q6600 is fast enough to keep me from spending a lot of money (that I don't have) on a new build.
I ran the x264 benchmark on my other PC (the E6500 on the Intel DG965WH board). Here are the results (the 2nd pass numbers are the ones that count)...
720p_results-E6500 @ 2.93Ghz
Pass 1
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encoded 1442 frames, 27.95 fps, 3909.88 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 28.00 fps, 3909.88 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 27.93 fps, 3909.88 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 28.15 fps, 3909.88 kb/s
Pass 2
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encoded 1442 frames, 4.84 fps, 3962.07 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 4.83 fps, 3962.59 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 4.86 fps, 3962.74 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 4.81 fps, 3962.75 kb/s
Q6600 @ 3.2Ghz
Pass 1
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encoded 1442 frames, 97.87 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 99.13 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 99.34 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 98.60 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
Pass 2
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encoded 1442 frames, 21.07 fps, 3961.64 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.17 fps, 3961.11 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.12 fps, 3961.95 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 21.08 fps, 3961.67 kb/s
Everything eventually becomes obsolete but the P4 has been obsolete for 4 years now. My Q6600 is still respectable to me but new CPUs are twice as fast.
EDIT: My brother's I5-760 at 2.90Ghz...
Pass 1
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encoded 1442 frames, 120.02 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 120.01 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 121.12 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 120.80 fps, 3912.26 kb/s
Pass 2
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encoded 1442 frames, 23.80 fps, 3962.13 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 23.92 fps, 3961.32 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 23.91 fps, 3961.34 kb/s
encoded 1442 frames, 23.88 fps, 3961.03 kb/s
I'll have talk him into doing a strong OC to see what it will do. When he had it running at the highest setting in EasyTune, it encoded a 1080p TS file that I had encoded at 25fps at 47fps (that sounds pretty high, it must've been 37fps). |
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| -vdub- |
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What time then did each of these take to complete the 2 pass, yours and your brothers. Also is there a difference with cpus not overclocked ? |
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