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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Mar 2 2011, 12:54 AM |
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I had installed SP3 a few times in the past and it never got along with my computer. Last time I was unsuccessful I had to fully restore my computer. Backing up files and data to another drive connected to someone else's computer before restoring the drive
There is a development suite I would like to install but it requires SP3 to be installed.
Has SP3 matured enough at the present to be installed with minimal fuss? |
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| ale5000 |
| Posted: Mar 2 2011, 01:24 AM |
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Everything can work good or bad it depends how much messed up is your system.
The best way is integrate the SP3 in the installation CD and install it from scratch.
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Mar 2 2011, 01:34 AM |
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Thanks Ale
Looks like doing the install fresh from the start would be the best option. My system isn't as it should or could be as I had described in the past with all the little quirks I had experienced and still do. |
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Mar 2 2011, 03:26 AM |
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The program in question I want to install is Visual Studio 2010 free edition but because of the havoc I might experience putting in SP3 I'm better off waiting for a fresh drive and fresh install of XP.
I wanted to try my hand again at programming. Maybe someday I could contribute to Vdub in some way, though if I remember correctly Vdub was created with VS 2005 pro so I don't know if VS 2010 free would be able to work with Vdub at all?
I've been looking around for cheap or free IDE's that would work with forms like my old VS6 suite did instead of coding the interface by hand. I used VB6 many years ago and I still have the old VS6 suite though it is a bit outdated.
The pro versions of VS are out of my reach unfortunately, cost-wise, so I have to work with what I have like VS6 for now until I start fresh with a new drive to put SP3 on and then install VS 2010 free edition. |
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| ale5000 |
| Posted: Mar 2 2011, 03:41 AM |
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About a fresh install of XP: I suggest to don't install the "normal" XP and then update to SP3 but instead use a CD with SP3 integrated (it isn't the same thing).
A newer version of Visual Studio should be able to open files created for old versions.
There maybe problems if the sources of an application are big and complicated but normally there shouldn't be.
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| phaeron |
| Posted: Mar 5 2011, 10:00 PM |
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Go to XP SP3 -- there's no point in using the older service pack levels. XP SP2 is now the minimal bar for running applications and there's no real reason to stay on SP2.
If you are trying to work on existing programs, it will be easier if you use Visual Studio 2008 / VC++ Express 2008 instead of VS2010 / VCEx10. The upgrade path for projects from VS2005 to VS2008 is minor, but there are some huge changes from 2005/2008 to 2010 and the project conversion can give you some headaches. There are also some boneheaded bugs in the UI such as the magically expanding Find dialog box and the install footprint for 2010 is probably bigger since it needs to install .NET Framework 4.0.
Some changes will be required to build VirtualDub with either version. For 2008, you will have to fix up a version constant in the system library since due to a change in the Platform SDK (ill-advised retroactive changes to definitions). For 2010, there are some necessary changes to the property sheets due to ordering problems with the conversion. I can help you with either path, as I've done test upgrades to both versions.
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Mar 6 2011, 08:45 PM |
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Thanks guys.
I will slip in sp3 onto a new CD and put it onto a new drive when I get one. I'll read up more about that.
My computer is all over the place with things, has been for a while. I can always create the restore point though with my luck I might not get back on at all, lol.
It will be a while before I get into C. To be honest I'm more familiar with VB than I am with C. VB doesn't have as much power as C but from what I have seen through some examples it can do quite a bit with video. |
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| ale5000 |
| Posted: Mar 6 2011, 08:52 PM |
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To my experience the system restore in Win XP cause a lot of mess, like leaving half-deleted applications and delete your personal files that aren't in the documents folder.
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| -vdub- |
| Posted: Apr 29 2011, 01:27 PM |
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| QUOTE (ale5000 @ Mar 2 2011, 03:41 AM) | About a fresh install of XP: I suggest to don't install the "normal" XP and then update to SP3 but instead use a CD with SP3 integrated (it isn't the same thing).
A newer version of Visual Studio should be able to open files created for old versions.
There maybe problems if the sources of an application are big and complicated but normally there shouldn't be. |
Interesting that you sy this, is it the same using sp1 cd slip streamed with latest sp3. That's what i did long ago and not found any problems with it. Stable as a rock and everything works as it should.
Also what are the differences you mentioned between 'sp1 cd install then upgrade to sp3 vs cd with sp3 install' |
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| ale5000 |
| Posted: Apr 29 2011, 09:41 PM |
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There are various disadvantages of installing it after:
- An update could always have some problem on install, especially when it is big (the situation is improved a bit on Win 7)
- The installation of a service pack keep a lot of files for possible uninstall (waste HD space)
- If you install using an XP SP1 CD and you don't install the SP3 fast enough, you could get a virus as soon as internet is connected (without even open the browser)
- If you use an XP SP1 CD to recover a XP SP3 system, then the ending system is half SP1-half SP3; you can install SP3 again after it but it isn't an optimal choice
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| -vdub- |
| Posted: Apr 30 2011, 08:43 AM |
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The slipstreamed sp1-sp3 cd i first used wasn't perfect, then did again with a final service pack. Since then i have no problems even latest windows installer is present. Straight after install the C: drive was 609mb, no sp1 in sight. Obviously there would be xp1 files since sp3 doesn't replace all sp1 files for new versions, a mix of sp1 and updates that are the sp3 files.
I used nlite to splistreamed sp1 with sp3, | QUOTE | XP SP3 as available from microsoft
XPSP3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd (05-06-08).iso |
Interesting to note the problems that can be caused if not done correct. Have not encountered any of them installing from sp1-sp3 slipstream cd. Which now is a xp sp3 os install cd.
I have run repair from cd under virtual os, since have never needed it. It does work without problem. Though if had problem easier to use an image backup than repair with cd. As the cd repair option also changes the service settings back to standard. Installs again any windows componments you may have removed and more besides. Having an image backup restores to exactly the time of backup faster and and less time waste than the xp cd repair option. Nice option for microsoft to put it there, now though for any new xp user that are getting to grips with xp os for first time. Soon enough they will know to do backups and not need eve to use the xp cd repair option.
OT: The main thing is xp for me is stable and don't see need to upgrade. Why change something when it works. Also win7 wouldn't leave me with much system resources unless i also bought new pc hardware. I don't see the need to spend money on something that isn't needed i have hardware with drivers that work (wouldn't be with xp) and plenty of software to use.
Deep down have the feeling that win7 is fully developed yet. Ok when was a new windows os fuly developed, xp only became so with sp3. For win7 i am still readinga nd hearing of horror stories. Also the fact it doesn't like the user to be in control of it and will fight every inch of the way. Why fight win7 when xp (pacifist) is a friendly in use. I just hope that xp never becomes like that is now for win98, nothing developed for it. Xp maybe has future since it is build on 2000.NT os and think there will always be support for that for some time yet. After all how many business want or need to upgrade to win7 when many have not so long ago upgraded to xp from 2000/NT/2003 os. |
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| ale5000 |
| Posted: Apr 30 2011, 11:24 PM |
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Sp3 CONTAINS sp1 and sp2.
The best way (in my opinion) is to integrate the SP3 into a CD that doesn't contains SP1 or SP2 but it should still work in either case.
I have done the integration process manually and never had any problem.
The procedure is here: http://sysblogd.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/h...nstallation-cd/
The service pack to download is here (316.4MB): http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/deta...&displaylang=en
Trick: When you move an hard disk with Windows to a different PC and it doesn't start you can revive it by doing a recovery installation with the XP SP3 cd.
But for my pc I prefer a normal windows re-installation with manually downloaded updated drivers and updated applications (I don't like image backup applications and also system restore).
Win 7 is really stable, you can see it as it was a service pack for Win Vista (but the difference is enormous).
| QUOTE | | upgraded to xp from 2000/NT/2003 os |
Win 2003 is more recent and better compared to Win XP.
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| -vdub- |
| Posted: May 1 2011, 04:08 AM |
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| QUOTE (ale5000 @ Apr 30 2011, 11:24 PM) | Sp3 CONTAINS sp1 and sp2.
The best way (in my opinion) is to integrate the SP3 into a CD that doesn't contains SP1 or SP2 but it should still work in either case.
I have done the integration process manually and never had any problem.
The procedure is here: http://sysblogd.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/h...nstallation-cd/
The service pack to download is here (316.4MB): http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/deta...&displaylang=en
Trick: When you move an hard disk with Windows to a different PC and it doesn't start you can revive it by doing a recovery installation with the XP SP3 cd.
But for my pc I prefer a normal windows re-installation with manually downloaded updated drivers and updated applications (I don't like image backup applications and also system restore).
Win 7 is really stable, you can see it as it was a service pack for Win Vista (but the difference is enormous).
| QUOTE | | upgraded to xp from 2000/NT/2003 os |
Win 2003 is more recent and better compared to Win XP. |
Doing it manualy using a console interface and without nlite, A nice simple guide you linked there.
Keep meaning to find a windows ui for mkisofs since it does everything i need from a cd, dvd writing software. Did look at one time nothing found. Links please if anyone knows of a good one with all options and setting adjustable from it.
Yes isn't the 2003 a server edition, will have a look at wiki for more on this here.
Maybe try win7 if ever upgrade pc to multi trillion core, or will be by the time i upgrade. And will be very nice to use thank you very much intel (intel if has quite fan control ability or will be Amd). Then need lots f memory, and pcie gfx or better (ati). Together with better psu, case and all the rest. It all adds up and for now rather not bother. As have a pc that works and does what it was intended to do. Ok so not as fast as todays multicore processors and memory. Wait a bit longer for processing videos, but is cheaper than buying atm. Maybe rethink all this when world economy re starts and pc hardware manufactures are churning out new advances each week again. People buy more with extra spending moeny they have. More sold always equals to lower prices and better deals to be had, and also better technology at lower prices. Right now would be stung hard to get any decent deal. Sure i know shops are crying out for customers, some maybe even sell cheap to keep in buisiness. I know if we don't buy there is les chance companies will be around etc, well i hope so get rid of the crud. Then know what is left are storm proof companies and should ahve betetr after sales with them.
OT: Which brings me to another unknown mystery. Buy a motherboard in two years there is never anymore bios updates. Why is that, its not like it will be broken in two years. Seems the mb manufactures only care and service for gamers, since they are the only ones likely to be upgrading to a better mb in that time. Maybe all mb manufactures ahould after the two year drop of revise each year and update the bios until five years at least. For most it would only mean adding new cpu list it can use and maybe a tweak here and there for one or two. If any manuafcture did that, they would be my next choice to buy a mb from and thereafter. Even better if they did that for 10 years which means eight more updates after year two ends. Most bios willnever see an update after year five or six maybe. But at least will show that mb company has excellent after sales service for bios and look after its customers. potential return customers will be far greater for more sales in the future. |
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