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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 6 2005, 05:09 AM |
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| QUOTE (phaeron @ May 5 2005, 09:56 PM) | DarrelS:
If File > Capture hangs on entry, hold down SHIFT the next time you try. It prevents VirtualDub from activating the device that was used last time, which may be causing problems.
Can you list exactly which devices are under the device list in 1.6.5? We need to get 1.6.5 working on the Image driver first; comparing 1.6.5 on DirectShow with 1.5.10 on VFW is an apples-to-oranges comparison and is not helpful. |
Well I took i4004's advice and first deleted all Virtualdub programs except for MPEG-2 and then deleted all Virtualdub entries in the registry. I honestly wasn't sure there were any since VirtualDub can just be deleted instead of uninstalled.
I then reinstalled VirtualDub 1.6.5 without any other versions ( except for MPEG-2 ) or VirtualDubMod and am now am able to open capture without the program freezing up.
I couldn't get to the list of devices before but now I can.
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Which option do I choose, Microsoft WDM Image Capture (Win32) (VFW)? |
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| i4004 |
| Posted: May 6 2005, 05:21 AM |
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directshow
vfw is the wrapper (the stuff older versions had)
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 6 2005, 05:38 AM |
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| QUOTE (i4004 @ May 5 2005, 11:21 PM) | directshow
vfw is the wrapper (the stuff older versions had) |
Now that's where I'm confused. The program said it was connected to capture device: ATI Rage Theater Video Capture (Directshow) when it was freezing up.
Version 1.5.10 works fine with the ATI Rage Theater Video Capture (Directshow) device so I would assume that the newer versions would need the VFW one.
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 6 2005, 06:33 AM |
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I tried the Directshow device and it's the one that freezes the program. The VFW one works but although I can change the channel under Video, Source, TV Tuner, I can't figure out how to change channels with the keyboard and under Video, Video Sources, there are no sources.
Diplay, Capture Pin, Preview Pin, Capture Filter, Crossbar, Crossbar2 and Tuner are all greyed out |
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 6 2005, 08:08 PM |
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I guess that I should just give up. I was able to capture video with version 1.6.5 but the audio was terrible. You could hardly hear what was being said from all the noise and static blairing out of the speakers.
None of the shorcuts work. I have to use the menu to start capture and the escape key to stop cature. Nothing else works. No F5 or F6 keys or no Left Click from the mouse to start and stop capture (which I would normally use). Oh yeah, and no Tuner control from the keyboard which is the only reason that I would use this program to capture along with the option to create custom capture formats.
The ATI Catalyst software seems to be the best option for All In Wonder/TV tuner cards.
Too bad you can't open .vcr files in VirtualDub since it seems to be the only capture that doesn't have the interlace lines and ATI/VCR looks alot better than the MPEG2 captures.
Nevermind, I figured out how to convert them to mp2. Great, I can use VDub-MPEG2 to edit. |
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| phaeron |
| Posted: May 7 2005, 04:11 AM |
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DAMMIT i4004, you are not helping! I specifically asked him not to choose the DirectShow entry!
DarrellS, 1.5.10 does not use the ATI device in native DirectShow mode. It can only access drivers that show up as (VFW) in 1.6.5. What the Microsoft WDM Image Capture (Win32) driver does is act as a tunnel to the DirectShow device, so that's probably why you're getting confused. The ATI Rage Theater Video Capture (DirectShow) entry corresponds to direct access to the DirectShow driver by 1.6.5 and you need that mode for VirtualDub to be able to directly control the channels — not being able to get to that is why 1.5.10 couldn't programmatically change the channel, only bring up the dialog to do so.
I don't know why it's hanging on your system. I found a bug in the ATI driver that I thought I had worked around for the new code, but apparently it doesn't work for you, so the best you can do is use the VFW driver, which gives you the same functionality as 1.5.10. Sorry.
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| i4004 |
| Posted: May 7 2005, 05:27 AM |
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yes, i am helping;
| QUOTE | | The VFW one works but although I can change the channel under Video, Source, TV Tuner, I can't figure out how to change channels with the keyboard and under Video, Video Sources, there are no sources. |
http://forums.virtualdub.org/index.php?act...ing&#entry38327
see?
btw. darrells, could you (please) try the version from my signature too? i would be interested to hear what happens with it.
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 7 2005, 06:02 AM |
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| QUOTE | | DarrellS, 1.5.10 does not use the ATI device in native DirectShow mode. |
That's strange because it said it was using the ATI Rage Theater (Directshow) before I changed the settings for 1.6.5 and now 1.5.10 says it is using the WMD image capture (Win32) also.
| QUOTE | | The ATI Rage Theater Video Capture (DirectShow) entry corresponds to direct access to the DirectShow driver by 1.6.5 and you need that mode for VirtualDub to be able to directly control the channels — not being able to get to that is why 1.5.10 couldn't programmatically change the channel, only bring up the dialog to do so. |
OK, I see. That's why everything is messed up. I'd try updating the driver again and installing a newer Catalyst software but I'm afraid I'll have to reinstall the operating system again like I had to the last time I tried to update the ATI driver. I tried to update the driver from Windows Update and it messed my operating system all up.
I downloaded the new driver for Windows 2000 from ATI but when I choose update driver from Device Manager, it can't find the driver when I show it exactly where it is. It tells me it couldn't find a driver and will keep using the one I have.
| QUOTE | | I don't know why it's hanging on your system. I found a bug in the ATI driver that I thought I had worked around for the new code, but apparently it doesn't work for you, so the best you can do is use the VFW driver, which gives you the same functionality as 1.5.10. Sorry. |
Well, thanks anyway. It was worth a try. It will still come in handy if I decide to hook my VCR back up to the PC.
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 7 2005, 06:18 AM |
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As Avery explained, there is no way for me to get to directshow so my keyboard and mouse funtions don't work.
I tried the VCR program but it is the same. I see the channel up and channel down options but nothing happens when I click them and the keyboard options have no effect.
Let me uninstall all the versions again and clean up the registry and I'll try it again.
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: May 7 2005, 06:31 AM |
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| QUOTE | | Let me uninstall all the versions again and clean up the registry and I'll try it again. |
Nope. Same thing.
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| i4004 |
| Posted: May 7 2005, 07:05 AM |
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catalyst driver should be just the exe file you run.
it cannot be used via "update driver" of win.
hehe...i recently installed ati aiw128(bt829) to my 2nd machine. and i used vdub to cap.
didn't toyed with tuner, though.
as for 1.6.5, vfw mode and tuner...i misunderstood...sorry.
so try that last catalyst, and if it's still the same, go back to ati's mmc software to cap stuff.
at least we'll bring this saga to end.
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| Posted: May 7 2005, 06:16 PM |
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| QUOTE | catalyst driver should be just the exe file you run.
it cannot be used via "update driver" of win. |
Here is what I tried to download from Windows Update that killed my computer before.
| QUOTE | hehe...i recently installed ati aiw128(bt829) to my 2nd machine. and i used vdub to cap.
didn't toyed with tuner, though. |
That's a totally different chipset so it will probably work.
| QUOTE | so try that last catalyst, and if it's still the same, go back to ati's mmc software to cap stuff.
at least we'll bring this saga to end. |
I couldn't understand the ATI website at all but I found a catalyst download at zednet for my card. It didn't help with my Virtualdub problems but my computer seems to be alot faster. I couldn't understand why my 3.2GB P4 w/512MB of DDR memory was running so slow. I have cable internet and it didn't seem much faster that dial up at times.
Thanks for all your help, even though it didn't help.
You too, Avery.
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| QUOTE | | I couldn't understand the ATI website at all but I found a catalyst download at zednet for my card. |
http://www.ati.com/
-->click "drivers and software"
pick os, pick card, download catalyst.
(offcourse, first check if version you already have is same as the one you attempt to dload; no point in installing same driver twice)
ok, bye,bye now.
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| DarrellS |
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| QUOTE (i4004 @ May 7 2005, 12:31 PM) | | QUOTE | | I couldn't understand the ATI website at all but I found a catalyst download at zednet for my card. |
http://www.ati.com/
-->click "drivers and software"
pick os, pick card, download catalyst.
(offcourse, first check if version you already have is same as the one you attempt to dload; no point in installing same driver twice)
ok, bye,bye now.
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It would be nice if it was that easy but it's not.
It took me about 4 hours downloading and installing different versions (which I had to search for since they weren't listed under drivers and software) before I could find one that worked and didn't kill my TV tuner and it wasn't like the CD that came with my card or the update I did a year ago where everything was on one install program. Everything came in seperate downloads and installs.
The one I finally ended up with is Catalyst 4.3 and MMC 8.9. I'm still not satisfied with this version since it has less capture templates than the original version but at least I can use it until I can brave going back into the website and finding a version between the original (3.1 MMC 7.7?) and the one I have now. |
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