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| glj1942 |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 05:37 PM |
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Hello, newbie here.
I had been running Magix Video Edit Pro 2014 along with the Virtual Dub fliters, (particularly the VHS one), and it did an amazing cleanup to some videos that I thought were a "Lost Cause"!
That's the good news, now the bad.
My cmptr took a dump, Hard drive, so while it is in the shop I downloaded Magix 2015 to this cmptr,
Magix 2014 is no longer available (at least from Magix).
I tried to load the Virtual Dub filters into Magix 2015, they won't work!!!
Emailed Magix, they said Magix 2015 is a 64 bit program and the VDub filters are 32 Bit.
Magix said to contact you folks so here tis!
To me it was dumb for Magix to come out with ver 2015 until they had VDub or some other
"Video Cleaning Filters" available for it.
Without "said filter", (To me), Magix is just a "Fancy converter and Burner"~~~completely useless
"to Me"!!!
Anyway, are there plans to make Virtual Dub 64 bit compatible, or have I missed something?
Thanks!
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| dloneranger |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 06:03 PM |
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Virtualdub has been available as 32 and 64 bit for ages now
However 64bit virtualdub only loads 64bit plugins/filters and codecs, andyou may not find 64bit version of old plugins/filters
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MultiAdjust JoinWav WavNormalize FFMPeg Input Plugin v1827 UnSharpMask
Windows7/8 Codec Chooser
All FccHandlers Stuff inc. Installers for acm codecs AAC, AC3, LameMp3 |
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| glj1942 |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 06:26 PM |
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Thanks, I did a search for Vdub 64 bit plugins> I found a website called "Techspot".
From there I downloaded this, "VirtualDub Filter Pack 2014 1.3
This is a free filter/plug-in pack containing over two hundred (200) plugins for VirtualDub.
I then used the installer to install them into the Magix plug in folder.
Magix 2015 finds them, but will not run any of them.
Maybe these are all 32bit?, I don't know how to tell!
Is there a web-site where I can just download the 64 bit VDub filter?
Thanks!
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| dloneranger |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 06:32 PM |
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That pack sound like 32bit if there are 200+ of them
A link would have helped just to verify
I'm not sure what you're looking for - there is no one "VDub filter"
They are all individual filters, and may available as 32, 64 or both
It all depends on who wrote the filter and if they compiled as 32, 64 or both
Here's a page with loads of filters you may find something 64bit
http://www.infognition.com/VirtualDubFilters/
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Ok, so I tracked down your link and tested it - they're 32bit
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MultiAdjust JoinWav WavNormalize FFMPeg Input Plugin v1827 UnSharpMask
Windows7/8 Codec Chooser
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| glj1942 |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 06:48 PM |
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thanks, I was afraid of that.
I would like to have a 64 bit version of the filter that was advertise as cleaning up old VHS videos.
I'm sorry I can not give you the name, as it's in my cmptr which is still in the repair shop.
But I would appreciate how to find and download any video enhancement filters (64 bit).
Thanks Again
Now on to clean out that Magix Plug in folder again!!!!! grrrrr
It ticks me off that Magix on their website don't mention that the new version (2015) is
"virtually Pluginless" It has seome fancy "Titlers" whoop de do!!!!
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| dloneranger |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 06:58 PM |
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As a work around you could do all your cleaning up with the 32bit version of virtualdub (so all the plugins work), save that and then load the cleaned version into this Magix thing?
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MultiAdjust JoinWav WavNormalize FFMPeg Input Plugin v1827 UnSharpMask
Windows7/8 Codec Chooser
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| glj1942 |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 07:17 PM |
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I have about come to that conclusion.
I will back up Magix 2014 as I find ver 2015 completely useless!
It's not my day!!!
I tried to install that filter pack and Norton pops up and gives me "This"
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thanks for all your help, I have enjoyed using Virtual Dub for many years, and it worked just fine , until Magix 2015 to me that is "Their Problem", if they don't have a way to clean up videos, and I would recommend to anyone, (If they have Magix), "Stick with what you got, don't update to ver 2015"!!!!
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| -vdub- |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 10:02 PM |
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Magix sounds dumb and bad at business or maybe just don't care that they lose customers (if Magix isn't free). Your already are one of the many that will lose out. Though I guess most others are using Virtualdub instead and don't need Magix.
Near all Virtualdub filters are old now 99% most will never be updated to 64bit ever. Someone should tell that to the Magix developers just to read or hear the reply they give. Maybe they reply with 'We are 64bit now, we no longer support 32bit'.
One question I will ask. What was was the reason you used Magix instead of Virtualdub ? This is not a trick question, it is one reply that may lead Phaeron Virtualdub's developer to think more on for Virtualdub future of direction and improvements.
The codec pack that Norton wants to eat asap sounds like it could be a bad one someone has made. You could upload it to Jotti Online, VirScan or VirusTotal or similar testing sites to check further if maybe positive or false Norton alert.
I know there is a large list of Virtualdub filters at Infognition http://www.infognition.com/VirtualDubFilters/ for people that need a filter fast. There must also be a complete pack there also that contains of all the filters the Infognition site shows or links to. That way protects them as sites go down, as I say the filters are old but still used by many that use Virtualdub and maybe some for use with AviSynth. |
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| ALbino |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 10:23 PM |
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I've never heard of Magix until now. So they took Virtualdub and made a NLE out of it? Or they made their own NLE and just decided to support Virtualdub's plugins? There's a bunch of videos on YouTube for it, but they're seemingly all in German. |
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| glj1942 |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 11:10 PM |
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Got the computer back from shop.
I've been using Magix for years, and have been very happy with it, until version 2015.
I had both Nero and Roxio before Magix.
I make a lot of Slides shows as well as videos, and I burn them to DVD's.
I might burn as many as 40 to a DVD.
Neither Nero or Roxio could split the videos into individual chapters, and I tried using the "auto split"
numerous times with both Roxio and Nero. It should have been easy as each video was a separate
video file, but they simply could not split it correctly, I might spit 40 videos into 100 parts or maybe 8
anything but 40.
So I found Magix, it splits them perfectly every time. It has nice editing features for the menus.
It also has built in tools for brightness, color contrast~~~~etc but no Picture noise reduction tools (if you will).
For that one could import (very easily) the Virtual Dub plugins, and these plugins worked great, (at least to me).
I was amazed at the quality of the HDMP4 videos that I played on my big screen using a flash drive thumb
connected to Rocu 3 which is connected to the HDMI input on my old Sharp Aquos 52" TV.
Anyway, all is well now, Magix 2014 is on my C drive and the drive that went bad was the D drive
(the one with all my videos on it), fortunately they were backed up on a 128 GB thumb drive.
Thanks everyone for your helpful comments, ~~it's just a shame Magix messed up with ver 2015 alto
I suspects they will have a fix later on for the missing video cleaners/enhancers.
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| glj1942 |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 11:50 PM |
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OK, I'm not sure I answerd the question fully about why I use Magix.
First it did import the VDub filters very easily and they worked great to
clean up some old videos.
With Magix one can insert videos into videos, change the speed , change the size
add on extra sound tracks you name it!
it also had great audio editing in it, wikth a graphic display of the audio output.
It's also pretty fast, it will compile and burn about 40 videos to a DVD in about an hour (Not Blue Ray).
Anyway, since a picture is worth a 1000 words, go to the link below to see the results from a video I made
using nothing but Magix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC63zfifxxo
Gary J
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| ALbino |
| Posted: Dec 17 2014, 11:59 PM |
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| -vdub- |
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| QUOTE (ALbino @ Dec 17 2014, 10:23 PM) | | I've never heard of Magix until now. So they took Virtualdub and made a NLE out of it? Or they made their own NLE and just decided to support Virtualdub's plugins? There's a bunch of videos on YouTube for it, but they're seemingly all in German. |
I did try it once many years ago in a virtual player xp os. I found it then more like bloatware. Lots of bells and whistles without content or umph to much. If I recall I would like to bed itself into the os. Maybe magix is better now than previously I would need to try it again installed inside a VMVirtualPlayer xp os
@ glj1942
With Magix one can insert videos into videos,
Picture In Picture - Virtualdub, loaded with a basic AviSynth script
change the speed
Virtualdub framerate controls
change the size
Virtualdub Resize (internal plugin)
add on extra sound tracks you name it!
Virtualdub atm cannot do this limit is one audio track. It could be done using Virtualdub external encoders feature
it also had great audio editing in it
Virtualdub needs a volume control then all will be ok. Can use system volume control but what software would need the user to do that ! Virtualdub only !
with a graphic display of the audio output.
Not with Virtualdub
Virtualdub can display wave audio only. Though since all audio is decompressed to wave. Fair to reason that all playable audio could be shown
It's also pretty fast, it will compile and burn about 40 videos to a DVD in about an hour (Not Blue Ray).
Not with Virtualdub
Thanks for your reply glj1942 any of the above is intended as a tit for tat style. I replied like so to show others what you like and what Virtualdub is capable of. And for Phaeron to know why someone who can use virtualdub plugins in another software choose to use that over Virtualdub, food for thought
With AviSynth Virtualdub is powerful but need to learn AviSynth scripting which for many is a barrier. There has been a few try to bridge that gap none yet I feel have accomplished that. That said I know it is possible to load using AviSynth scripts Virtualdub plugins. Does magix accept AviSynth scripts ? maybe this could use an AviSynth script to load Virtualdub 32bit plugins into magix 2015 or use AviSynth plugins to do the same
I think the answer to start with adding what Virtualdub is missing then build from there. Though main problem is that Phaeron Virtualdub developer is always busy with other developing projects
So maybe it is good that Magix was allowing Virtualdub plugins to be used. Now people cannot do so 2015 version they may come by here and see what virtualdub is all about. Though I know what many may think and maybe others reading this think the same. Yes Virtualdub looks dated but it has always been that way. A super lightweight video editor than is fully portable that can be expanded by plugins and using AviSynth scripts that you make or someone else's
What people miss and never see and if they do find it hard to grasp is the External Encoders feature which is as big as the Virtualdub FFmpeg Input Driver. How many video can you load without using it. Yes you can encode avi videos without using external encoders and repackage those to other format containers
Using external encoders means you have full control over the output of your video. How it is encoded and what container it is no more avi only. Need mp4 encoded with x264 and aac audio, or mpeg2 with ac3 audio external encoders can do that and any other flavour that you need. Shame there isn't loads of videos about this on the internet. I'm sure if there was 95% would be of no use with 5% been of useful information and guidance. This based on the many videos I have seen on youtube etc for virtualdub so far
Thanks for you reply though I don't think it will get Phaeron Virtualdub development mind wanting to spend time changing anything any time soon
Well maybe Phaeron will add a volume control that has been needed since day one I'm sure
Maybe also someday the other old one that hurts Virtualdub notable to add more than one audio track. For many years videos have been able to have multi audio tracks |
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