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| Barnister |
| Posted: Aug 12 2010, 11:01 AM |
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Hello,
it took me ages and a lot of time to figure out my best settings with h264 codec for transcoding gameplay footage with VirtualDub.
Come K-Lite 6.2 and h264 has changed everything. They have totally simplified the whole h264 ui, no more advanced stuff, nothing, nada.
Can somebody pretty, pretty please help me figure out how to translate my settings from the h264 codec (http://j.mp/cvt4d6) to the new one?
I'd appreciate it if it would be as closely to 1:1 as possible. |
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| BugMaster |
| Posted: Aug 12 2010, 11:58 AM |
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Probably the closest one will be something like this:
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Aug 12 2010, 03:49 PM |
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I notice there is an "output" mode in your interface and it is marked VFW. What other outputs are there?
Is this a modified x264 version? |
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| BugMaster |
| Posted: Aug 12 2010, 08:37 PM |
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| QUOTE ("rjisinspired") | | I notice there is an "output" mode in your interface and it is marked VFW. What other outputs are there? |
The choice is between VFW (standard way of VFW-codecs output) and File (GUI element for "--output" / "-o" extra command line option. It allow output *VIDEO ONLY* directly to file [MKV/FLV/MP4/AVI/raw h264] and sends dummy-frames through VFW-interface. Also it doesn't need "VirtualDub Hack" to fix encoder delay [frame buffering] so can be used in any program with VFW support).
| QUOTE ("rjisinspired") | | Is this a modified x264 version? |
This is mostly the same version (GUI is fully same) as the latest version at http://sourceforge.net/projects/x264vfw/ (only small internal changes for next release and updated libx264 library). |
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| rjisinspired |
| Posted: Aug 12 2010, 08:45 PM |
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Thanks Bugmaster.
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| fredgiblet |
| Posted: Aug 13 2010, 12:40 AM |
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I personally don't recommend using codec packs, you end up not knowing what's actually on your computer and most of it's worthless anyway. I just install ffdshow, x264, XviD and whatever player I feel like using.
The x264 build I use is here: http://komisar.gin.by/ |
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| Barnister |
| Posted: Aug 13 2010, 10:27 PM |
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| QUOTE (BugMaster @ Aug 12 2010, 11:58 AM) | Probably the closest one will be something like this:
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No, sadly not. Bad quality compared to my settings  ! |
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| BugMaster |
| Posted: Aug 13 2010, 10:57 PM |
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| QUOTE | | No, sadly not. Bad quality compared to my settings ! |
Are you sure to compare quality at near the same bitrate (same file size)? Comparing at same CRF can be misleading because you missed more than 400 revisions of libx264 (from 1195) and dependence between CRF and bitrate was surely changed more than ones. |
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| Barnister |
| Posted: Aug 15 2010, 11:29 AM |
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I don't solely compare them on the bitrate. I do a visual comparison as well.
I've got a clip one with the old settings and UI, and one you suggested. The quality IS comparably and visualy detectable not as good as the one with the old settings.
For example a very detectable issue is, and remember I'm talking about gameplay videos here, so FPS, RPG's, Action Adventures with either 1st Person View, 3rd Person View and Top Down View.
Anyway, the detectable issue I'm talking about is when I move very quickly. While with my old settings there is nothing "blurry", no box-ish "artefacts" appearing, with your settings, when I move quickly there are box-ish artefacts and the picture becomes "blurry".
Besides, I wonder, is there a way to export the command line settings from my old h264 codec somehow? So I'd copy paste it into the new one, maybe?
http://netload.in/dateir8zaaPVzTf/Archive.zip.htm , I uploaded both clips for you all to compare. |
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| BugMaster |
| Posted: Aug 15 2010, 02:35 PM |
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Barnister
You set preset "Slow" not "Slower" which I tell you. Also encode with new version have lower bitrate (7727 Kbps vs 8148 Kbps) so you can compensate this by lowering CRF a little bit (if this would be still the case after you choose preset "Slower"). |
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| Barnister |
| Posted: Aug 16 2010, 03:39 PM |
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Cheers, still somewhat not the same good quality as the old one, but very close.
Slower it was and CRF 22. 15 min gameplay about 500mb. |
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| Barnister |
| Posted: Aug 18 2010, 03:49 PM |
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| QUOTE (fredgiblet @ Aug 13 2010, 12:40 AM) | I personally don't recommend using codec packs, you end up not knowing what's actually on your computer and most of it's worthless anyway. I just install ffdshow, x264, XviD and whatever player I feel like using.
The x264 build I use is here: http://komisar.gin.by/ |
Can you specifically link to each codec you use and download?
Komisar for x264vfw, and the rest? |
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| fredgiblet |
| Posted: Aug 18 2010, 06:58 PM |
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ffdshow:
http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.net/
It'll play basically anything you find, there's only a few codecs it doesn't support. You can either get the official Beta release or grab the latest SVN build from the download page. I would suggest just grabbing the SVN build.
XviD:
http://jawormat.republika.pl/xvid.html
You can grab the stable release or the beta, I haven't had any trouble with the beta so you might as well use it.
Right now I use SMPlayer: http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/ I used to use VLC but got sick of the problems it has with resuming stopped files, I tried MPC-HC but it had issues as well, for now I'm happy enough with SMPlayer.
VLC: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
MPC-HC: http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/
Try then for yourself and figure out which one you like.
XviD has reached the point where there's very little development going on so you can probably just install it and forget about it, alternatively you don't really need it unless you are planning to compress to it, if you don't plan to compress to XviD then ffdshow will decode it perfectly fine. x264 you should update once or twice a year, it's still in development, but no so much that it warrants constant attention. |
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| Barnister |
| Posted: Aug 20 2010, 09:25 AM |
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Maybe it should be mentioned, I'm using Win7 and often watch .avi series/movies with .sub/.srt/.txt subtitles with Media Player Classic.
I also watch .mkv animes with subtitles / different audio languages incorporated into them.
Any other codecs I should be needing?
I'm asking because y'all are right, I'm tired of constantly installing codec packs and not knowing what's in them. |
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| fredgiblet |
| Posted: Aug 20 2010, 04:09 PM |
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It's my understanding that Haali's Media Splitter is a superior option to MPC-HC's internal splitter for anime subs, though I'm not sure exactly why since I don't watch many of them. Other than that I don't think there's anything else that's needed. |
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