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| i4004 |
| Posted: Jan 10 2005, 11:28 PM |
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here's what they told me;
| QUOTE | Dear ivo kostic,
Thanks for your question.
MPEG-4 video codecs use many different patents under which they need to be licensed. MPEG LA offers a license of convenience to users enabling them to obtain essential patent rights under many patents owned by many different parties in a single transaction as an alternative to negotiating separate licenses with each patent holder.
Best regards,
Larry Horn
Vice President, Licensing |
| QUOTE | FYI, the license we offer for this purpose is the MPEG-4 Visual Patent Portfolio License (http://www.mpegla.com/m4v/).
Regards,
Larry Horn |
with such mpeg-la, i actually think xvid users are safe!
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| fccHandler |
| Posted: Jan 11 2005, 03:02 AM |
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I'm missing the joke. Why do you say that?
What they wrote to you actually sounds very polite and helpful... (they must want your money!) 
Any idea how much the license costs?
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| stephanV |
| Posted: Jan 11 2005, 09:05 AM |
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You can find some info in the PP-presentation here.
Lots of monies it seems... but compared with MPEG2 rather cheap...
Thats probably why the guys from YMPEG did get into trouble and XviD/ffmpeg dont.
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| i4004 |
| Posted: Jan 11 2005, 06:38 PM |
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| QUOTE | | I'm missing the joke. Why do you say that? |
let's say you're licensing something; and you know somebody ripped you off and is giving your technology for free.
is your approach "please, give me some money, don't do that", or "babe, there is a lawsuit on your way; you're illegal for more than 4 years".
with such "copy-pasted" answers, it seems they don't care. also, i didn't asked what licenses do i need ( i mean, i'm not developing xvid or ffmpeg..what do i care?) , as i asked what is the mpeg-la's standpoint on the issue of illegal applications of the technologies they are licensing. i don't know what's their standpoint, other than the thing stephan said about mpeg2 versus mpeg4; but that's actually consistant with my thought how mpeg4sp will remain an 'orphan' and will never gain industry's real support (doom9 is reading this and pulling his hair...  ; "no mpeg4sp????? verdamt!" ), while mpeg2 and avc will be rigorously protected.
ok, we know mpeg2 already is, but if there is some money to be made on avc, then it will be protected to the max too. mpeg4 never really made money for anybody. never made it big-time.
so to speak, mpeg4sp is a niche market in the eyes of mpeg. stuff of pirates, and not even the real pirates-->the ones that have a factories to make 1:1 dvd copies. you know, in china.
chinese also have a factories to make dvd-player that costs as..what...2 or 3 legally pressed dvd-discs, but that's not a problem; that's actually welcomed. that sells discs too.
(although there were probably even few cases of "non-legal" decoding chips etc.).
so at any point in time mpeg will protect the biggest cow they're milking. mpeg4sp money is kinda pocket money for them.
mpeg2 is the big cow. avc is that cow's favourite child. it needs to become big now.(it will if hdtv makes it big time). mpeg4sp was experiment that went wrong when pirats got a hold of it. when divx and xvid started "work" on momusys code.
i just wanted to check with mpeg-la. should be confirmed now. they are finding illegal mpeg2 encoders themselves, but don't care much about mpeg4sp even if you put it under their nose.
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