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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Mar 29 2003, 11:55 AM |
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Get it here :
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsme...codecs/vcm.aspx
I am just testing is and i hate to say i am quite impressed, using a bitrate of 300 kbps for a low filtered 640 x 288 video  ...
Some more testing to be done later, will post results here or here : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&t...&threadid=49796
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| Kippesoep |
| Posted: Mar 29 2003, 05:25 PM |
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Cool. I like how it says (on a Microsoft page, no less!) that it has been tested with VD. Seems even Microsoft have noticed VDs popularity. What's next? Will they attempt to buy VD off Avery or will they simply create their own inferior clone and bundle it with the next version of Windows as Windows Movie Maker 2? |
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| phaeron |
| Posted: Mar 29 2003, 08:59 PM |
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Microsoft is, as many companies are, a mix of people with different beliefs and agendas. The impression I have gotten by browsing the Microsoft newsgroups and looking at the posts from the Windows Media team is that the engineering team is interested in producing great technology for the users, while the push for DRM and bloatware features comes from management, a phenomenon not limited to Microsoft. Notice how Media Player 6.4 and 7.0+ are very different, and yet Microsoft still ships 6.4 to this day with all current versions? IIRC, 6.x was written by a team of 4, while for 7.x the engineering team bloated to ~20 people.
As for the existence of the VCM codec, I'm actually not surprised. Windows Media has historically had VCM codecs used by its encoders, particularly in the days when it was called NetShow. The video compression API is very straightforward, and takes only a day or two to code and debug.
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| ChristianHJW |
| Posted: Mar 30 2003, 05:22 PM |
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I cant agree more with Avery, actually it seems one of the driving heads behind this VCM codec seems to be a guy with the nick amirm, he is posting regularly on the Doom9 forums and seems to be a member of the Windows media dev team.
As Avery said, he obviously loves the product he is working on, and wants it to get widely used. If the M$ management decides strange things, this doesnt mean these decisions are fully backed up from the people making the things ...
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| KornX |
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But i think their work is very good!
After 2 test encodings with this paramter i got a quality flash 
-v_frameratedown 1:1 -v_mode 2 -v_quality 85 -v_keydist 300000 -v_profile CP -v_performance 100
hmm by the way
@phaeron
what about a new row in the encoding window?
Time elapsed
*new*Time remaining
Total Time estimated
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| DarrellS |
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| QUOTE (phaeron @ Mar 29 2003, 02:59 PM) | Microsoft is, as many companies are, a mix of people with different beliefs and agendas. The impression I have gotten by browsing the Microsoft newsgroups and looking at the posts from the Windows Media team is that the engineering team is interested in producing great technology for the users, while the push for DRM and bloatware features comes from management, a phenomenon not limited to Microsoft. Notice how Media Player 6.4 and 7.0+ are very different, and yet Microsoft still ships 6.4 to this day with all current versions? IIRC, 6.x was written by a team of 4, while for 7.x the engineering team bloated to ~20 people.
As for the existence of the VCM codec, I'm actually not surprised. Windows Media has historically had VCM codecs used by its encoders, particularly in the days when it was called NetShow. The video compression API is very straightforward, and takes only a day or two to code and debug. |
>>Microsoft is, as many companies are, a mix of people with different beliefs and agendas. The impression I have gotten by browsing the Microsoft newsgroups and looking at the posts from the Windows Media team is that the engineering team is interested in producing great technology for the users, while the push for DRM and bloatware features comes from management, a phenomenon not limited to Microsoft. Notice how Media Player 6.4 and 7.0+ are very different, and yet Microsoft still ships 6.4 to this day with all current versions? IIRC, 6.x was written by a team of 4, while for 7.x the engineering team bloated to ~20 people.
As for the existence of the VCM codec, I'm actually not surprised. Windows Media has historically had VCM codecs used by its encoders, particularly in the days when it was called NetShow. The video compression API is very straightforward, and takes only a day or two to code and debug.<<
Microsoft is nothing but a bunch of punks. They promised in December a WMV9 codec for dowmload and it's the middle of March and their is still no WMV9 codec. Who cares about a WMV9 encoder? They've become just like Real Networks. Creating content that noboby can use unless they download their spyware to view it. It pissed me off when they forced you to drop support for .asf but I learned to get around that using other programs but now they've gone too far. I, like millions of other users would love to be able to view WMV9 without having to get rid of Media Player 6.4.
Funny thing is, 6.4 will play WMA9 without downloading an audio codec.
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| Darkfalz |
| Posted: Apr 13 2003, 09:14 AM |
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| QUOTE (DarrellS @ Apr 8 2003, 09:24 AM) | [QUOTE=phaeron,Mar 29 2003, 02:59 PM]
Funny thing is, 6.4 will play WMA9 without downloading an audio codec. |
Since WMA7 the decoding is backward compatible. |
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| DarrellS |
| Posted: Apr 30 2003, 08:11 PM |
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| QUOTE (Darkfalz @ Apr 13 2003, 03:14 AM) | [QUOTE=DarrellS,Apr 8 2003, 09:24 AM][QUOTE=phaeron,Mar 29 2003, 02:59 PM]
Funny thing is, 6.4 will play WMA9 without downloading an audio codec.[/QUOTE]
Since WMA7 the decoding is backward compatible. |
I did discover by installing the VCM that I can edit WMV9 with Video Edit Magic (which accepts WMV files) and I believe Graph Edit will open them even though the files will still not play in any player other than newer Windows Media Players. Not sure if VideoWave will edit WMV9 with the VCM installed. I know it will open .asf files and if you change the extension of older WMV files to .asf that VideoWave will open them. |
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| svasutin |
| Posted: Aug 18 2003, 07:48 AM |
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Interesting thing about msft mm2 is the drm. For some reason, mm2 will not allow me to capture using my ati aiw 128 with drivers from ati (tested it back to v1.0), however, when I download and install the msft ati aiw, I can then capture from my card, but an effect similar to macrovision encoding appears...purple flashes, not green, and a time delay.
I tried my video stabilizer when exporting, but I could no de-microsoft the video.
I have no issues when I use mm1. Most of my capture issues are due to intalling msft mm2. I performed about 20 clean installs using a slipstream dvd-rw and only upon installing mm2 does the microsoft drm occur.
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| muf |
| Posted: Aug 20 2003, 11:14 AM |
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I've also noticed there are varying attitudes over @ M$. I have always been annoyed by the "user-friendly" (or more accurately noob-friendly) attitude of consumer windows versions (98, ME, XP). But when I installed 2000 Server, I was faced with messages that actually helped me, and with an attitude of "fix it like this" instead of "call your administrator". The MSDN pages are also very bullshit-free imho. And graphedit must be the best tool they ever released (along with format ). I bet the moronager suits don't even remotely know what powerful things you can do with it, and more importantly, what you can bypass with it. I've saved live broadcasts with it, transcoded ASFs to AVI with it, and bypassed a buttload of protection schemes.
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